Lesson 27c & begin 7:25--8:2 Lesson 28a
Romans 7:19-24 · JD McCulley · Feb 17, 2019
Romans (2018-21), No. 54
Holly Hills Bible Church
https://hollyhillsbiblechurch.org/teaching/messages/4926191413780

Transcribed from the recording by SermonAudio, so expect the occasional misheard word.

So we're on lesson 27, chapter 7, verses 19-24. 7, 19-24. I'll go ahead and read those. For the good that I want to do, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. I find then the principle that evil is present in me, the one who wants to do good. For I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members.

Wretched man that I am, who will set me free from the body of this death? So we're on question number six. In verses 22 and 23, Paul learns three principles. What are they? So I kind of started a little section in here. The first one was delight. What do we say about that? Verse 22. For I joyfully concur, rejoice in, with the law of God in the inner man. What's the law of God? Why would he be joyfully concurring with the law of God? What's another word for law?

Principle, yeah. Are we talking about the Mosaic Law here? No. But it's interesting that he contrasts this in verse 23 So I joyfully concur with the law of God in the inner man, but I see a different law in the members of my body, waging war against the law of my mind, and making me a prisoner of the law of sin which is in my members. So we have this principle of God and this principle of sin. So there's delight in verse 22, because he recognizes the principles of God working in his heart. But he does see, and this is where delight is then followed by discernment, right? So I see a different law or principle in my members.

Let's look up Galatians 5.17. Someone grab...

So I need Galatians 5.17. Someone get that one.

And then 1 Peter 2.11.

And then maybe Romans 6.19. Whoever's got Galatians, go ahead when you're ready. Does that seem to fit here? There's the word contrary, right?

What about 1 Peter 2.11? Yep. Does that seem to fit? Waging war against the soul.

Romans 6.19 I am speaking in human terms because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness leading to sanctification. So Paul's goal was for us to forget about the sin nature completely once we became a believer, right? To just completely not acknowledge its existence. Is that where Paul's at? Well, he's realizing that wouldn't work if that was... You're exactly right. The operational principle. I'm a new man. Sin nature. Whether it exists or not, it's not active.

Is that true? No. It's waging war. Do you think that spiritual growth and advancement can be held up if you don't recognize that war? Absolutely. Why? If you don't acknowledge it or recognize it, then it's going to waylay you in a lot of areas of your life. Isn't knowledge one of the pillars of faith? Our foundation?

Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah, knowledge, absolutely. And what is Paul? focusing on this entire chapter 7 of Romans. The knowledge of what? The law of sin, or the principles of sin, waging war against the principles of God in us. That's right. If you look at the conclusion of the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew 8, Two things.

There's a leper and he's showing that the law could not cleanse him at all. He's completely covered and just overwhelmed with leprosy. And the law could not cleanse him of that. But there was one that could. And what did he do? He by faith asked the Lord to cleanse him.

Same thing in Luke 5.12.

It's because people do not recognize their all badness, they do not find Christ all in all to them. If there's something that can get me clean outside of Christ, He's not my all in all. The sin in nature has a purpose, doesn't it? What's the purpose? I could jump ahead to question 8. To reveal sin in me? That's one of the good things. And to show how desperately we need to depend on grace? I think that's right. How desperate we need grace. How desperate we need the person who is grace, right? Does it have to come to desperation? Well, you want to jump to eight? Sure. I think that's the issue.

The fact is that you can You know, try in the Holly Hills Bible Church and find out that you have this in nature. But you know about it, but maybe you don't know in the fact that it's irrevocably evil and it isn't going to change and it's very powerful and you're stuck. You know, I can verbalize about it all day long, but there's got to be more intimacy with the power of the thing and the fact that it controls me and that I'm really in trouble. and I can't make it better and I can't make it acceptable to God because I identify myself with it because that's all I know. I think there's probably, this is just coming to mind, there's probably three different mentalities when it comes to the sin nature. It's one It's eradicated. I don't even have to deal with it anymore. We know that that's not true in Romans 7. The other one is, it's there, but I dressed it up today. And it smells and looks a lot better than most other people's sin nature. Right?

And then there is the complete and total defeat. Desperation. So if you look at verse 23, I see a different law so this is the discernment in the members of my body waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin. Is that defeat or not? That sounds like desperation to me. Sounds like death. Wretched man that I am who will set me free from the body of this death?

It is what it is. God has left us as much dependent on Christ's work for our deliverance as for our forgiveness. Think about that. How much do you depend upon the Lord for your salvation? Anybody still trying to save part of yourself? You get the gospel wrong, you're going to get this wrong. What's interesting though, I think a lot of Christianity says, it's salvation by faith and grace alone.

You can do nothing. Now that you're saved, let's get to work. Right? And the walk, it's not by faith. It's doing. We have some needs in the church. Who's ready to start volunteering? Because if you don't, why are you here? Sounds like a Methodist. Or a Baptist, or a Church of Christ, or a Catholic. I mean, you just go down the line.

Well, I don't think any Krishna would deny that our walk is by faith. Of course it's by faith, but I have to make some kind of effort in addition to that faith. That's what I was taught all my life. Me too. Isn't that all they can know unless they have knowledge of Christ? Yes. Yes. If they're in the Word and discerning the Word as it's written, especially here in Romans 7, They can come to that knowledge. We could have come to that knowledge, and we did. Each of us came to it in our own way. Maybe even today, I don't know. But this defeat is real. And when we recognize that our dependence on Christ's work for our deliverance is just as important for our forgiveness, it's just as important for our deliverance. And that's where Paul is.

He's saying, I've got a war that is waging so heavily that I would come to the point of calling myself a wretched man. What does that mean? Question number 7. In verse 24, the question is, what is a wretched man? A dead man. No, he's alive. When was the last time you thought of yourself as a wretched man? Every day when I wake up. Every time I'm on the phone recording. You realize you're a wretched man?

What's that? Birds like this, they don't need enemies. Iron sharpens iron. It's interesting, this word. It has this idea of desolate, bound for destruction. Think of it, I had... I had a... This is going to sound weird. I'll put that out there. I had a life-ending dream last night that was... that left me in a very real state of, this is the end. I heard trumpets, and then I saw a stealth bomber, and then I saw a bomb go off. And Les and I were hanging out in the backyard, and I just took the blanket and wrapped it over, and I just started praying with her. I was like, this is really the end. I had that dream last night.

I woke up this morning and I told her, And she was like, wow. That is weird. Because this is like a stealth bomber that transforms itself into a bomb and then like this big cone and drills itself in like something out of Transformers and then blows up. What did you eat at Randy's? That's a good question. Bacon. I think it was that crab cake. It was great, by the way. They put on quite a seven course meal.

So, Desolate, Bound for Destruction. This idea of walking in the desert with no hope whatsoever. Zoyais says, Afflicted, Miserable. So you're in the desert, no hope whatsoever. You've got sunburned, boiled, all the the things that, like, you are afflicted, you are absolutely miserable. This word is used only two times, and Mount's Greek dictionary says, enduring severe effort and hardship, hence, wretched, miserable, afflicted.

Yep. Sounds pretty desperate to me. It's very desperate. I think, you know, it lets you realize that how powerful the sin nature is, That's that dress it up. Or the better way of maybe even saying it, you can dress it up but you can also try to minimize it. I've got it kind of locked in a box and it's banging around in there, but I've got it locked down.

But it's best when you find the blossoms and the whales in the desert. What's a whale? Oh, like the springs. Oh, well. I just saw a big whale. What's interesting is, yes, okay, so bloom where you plant it, these kinds of things. I'm going to get to this next point, and I'll come back to that. I think that's an interesting thought.

There's a similar concept in Revelation 3.17. Somebody want to read that for me?

You say, I am rich, I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing. But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. That's where you're at. Desolate, miserable. I've got another definition from Zodiaty. Another definition, it says, suffering from spiritual or emotional misery, helpless. You ever suffered from emotional or spiritual misery? Guess what? That's that wretched man.

That's what he does. We may be helpless, but we're not hopeless. That's a really good point. Question number nine. I'll go to eight. This is an open-ended question for you guys. We've covered some of it, but do all growing believers have to come to this wretched man condition in order to get deliverance from sin's power? What do you think? Yes. I don't see any other way around it. Yes. I think you're right. Without it, you may depend upon Christ fully for that forgiveness, but you're not going to depend upon Him fully for the deliverance. It's a greased road.

I think too, kind of going back to, I don't know if this covers it in what year, year three different ones, I think the vast majority of believers think that now, once I'm saved, I now have the, kind of putting lipstick on a pig, I now have the power to make this man look better. And that now that I'm a believer, I have the power to, like Paul, nasty part of me. How do we do that? I think it goes back to the foundational, and this is where in Romans 6, again, it's the reckon yourself dead unto sin and alive unto God.

That's the foundation. And again, it's not reckon yourself fixing up the old man. It's not reckon that I can overcome this. It's not anything other than reckon yourself dead, separated from the sin nature. We're not going to improve it. We're not going to beat it. We're not going to do anything. It's to reckon it dead, separate it completely, and then the second is alive unto God.

That's where, I mean, it started from Romans 6 where our co-crucifixion, our identification, our removal and placement into Christ, that's the foundational thing. And he's going through here where he wasn't reckoning himself dead. I can beat this thing in Romans 7. Wretched man and wretched man He's like, what's good about a wretched man? You know, wrecking yourself dead after. I agree. Yeah, totally.

So would it be deliverance first and then knowledge of the first Adam? Like, it's not what goes into a man that defiles him, but what comes out of him. So, I want to cover that. So, is the answer to question number 8 yes? Are we agreeing with that? And to Courtney's point, to understand it's not I, but Christ doing the living. That's the point here. So, in question number 9, what is the significance of the word who? And this is where the deliverance you just mentioned This is also where the blooms and the wells all come together.

He has come to a point of this recognition that this is a war waging within me, and that sin nature is wretched, afflicted, miserable, suffering from spiritual and emotional misery. I'm absolutely helpless. And then he goes on to say, wretched man that I am, who? Why did he say what?

Because there's only one person that can deliver us out of that. There's a lot of books in the Christian bookstore that would say otherwise. Because it's not a it. You can do it. There's a lot of self-help books out there, guys. Come on. It can't all be wrong. There's a woman's Bible. That works. It gets worse. I think until the Lord brings to the point about the wretched man, there's always a what. You know, that's what religion does. What next? Pray more? Work more? We'll teach you how to get over this in nature. And it's not necessarily a what.

Typically, and that's the thing about all the books, it's how you can. It's your effort. It's not as much You know what, it's I think most of the Christian literature, you know, the bookstores... It's a who. Well yeah, it's a who, and it's me, is what they typically point to. The who in this one is Christ. But, you know, the bookstores are, you know, replete with, you know, self-help books or programs.

It's all about your efforts. And that's totally contradictory to what Paul is going to end up here. It's who, and it's a person. That's why this is so critical to a believer, is getting to that point of, I can't do it. All those self-helps and programs, the purpose-driven life, the prayer of J-Biz, all the things that are out there that everybody gloms onto, it still focuses on self-effort, which the sinful flesh loves. It feeds upon that.

And if you don't produce You stand in the corner. You got put yourself in the corner. I could go to another church. Wretched man. Just kidding. Just this week, have you found yourself going, oh my gosh, this war is real. The sin nature is, I feel like I'm being attacked. And then you find yourself going, what am I supposed to do? What am I supposed to do with this thing? I feel so betrayed. I feel so misunderstood. I feel so alone. What am I supposed to do?

It's not what you do with it, it's what Christ has done with it. That's a good point. I think Paul is is teaching us that it's not about what we're supposed to do. It's about turning to the who. And I think the minute he cries who, he finds the beginning of that path to victory in that Christian walk. So, he's calling upon a person for help.

I know, and I know because it's my pride. My pride is the wretched part of me that says, You've got this. We can figure this out. Me and myself. We'll have a conversation and we'll figure it out and everything will be okay. It's his perception that he's already been delivered. The moment he cries out that who side of things, it changes that whole path of victory. From one of defeat, misery, afflictedness, suffering, to a victory because it's now Christ's victory, it's not his own. He gets to experience it though. So up to this point he was searching for a method of deliverance and now he's looking to a person.

Who shall deliver me out of the bondage under the law of sin and to moral freedom in which my body shall no longer serve as the seat of this shameful death? Paul's not crying for a way out from his body. That's another thing we do, right? Just, I can't take it anymore. Get me out of this. Just get me out, God. Get me out. That's not where he's at. His deliverance is not, get me out of this. He's not looking for a way out from the deliverance from the condition of defeat, which he finds himself in, his physical body. His lack of spiritual understanding upon that moment resulted in bondage. But now he turns to the who, and then he goes into verse 25. Are you picking up with verse 25? He's going to start today. You've got 25, though. I'll take it, man. Okay. We're going to make one of our very graceful handoffs.

The first question is a lot like the last one we just covered, but I have a couple of other points. The reason I re-asked it in a different way is a couple of other points I want to make. The question is, what is the pathway? in verse 24. And as we've been discussing, the moment he cries, who? He finds the pathway to victory. Now, for what he does is that he stops asking how, and he goes to a person. Who? Now, here's the subtlety of this.

I can be a well-informed believer about all of the tenets of spiritual growth. I can understand Romans 6, 7 and 8 and all of the principles and all of the scriptures that matter. That's still not a who. I can stand up here and you can raise your hand and say, well, it's this scripture and it's that scripture and it's this scripture, but that doesn't tell me who the who is. And the who, because he's a person, it went from doctrine to intimacy. It went from objective truth to love and affection with a person.

And that person is the resurrected glorified Christ. So I can, like J.D. is talking about, I can have all kinds of methods. I can be a biblical scholar. I can answer every possible question. that anyone would have about spiritual growth. But if you don't know the who, you never ask the right question. Who is the right question? Because I need him, I need a deliverer just like I needed a savior.

I can give you the gospel message, right? I can tell you what the gospel is. If you believe in the person and work of Christ, that he died on the cross, he became a man, he died on the cross, he was buried and resurrected, seen by many, and now he's seated in heaven. If you believe that, you'll be saved. And you say, I'm going for that. The issue is, Savior.

Doctrine is important. But nothing for growing believers is more important than the person of the Lord Jesus Christ. Nothing. Because it isn't a thing, it's a who. He is our life. And so I would say that a lot of what Paul is trying to communicate here is that once we, well let me back up. The who, who is the resurrected Christ, is what the Holy Spirit has been after this whole time. He wants to present the who to me. He wants me to know the Who as the deliverer of me.

And until He gets me, the Spirit gets me in a place where I have tried every possible method including all of the right theology and I finally give up because I realize that this sin nature within me, all of these scriptures don't fix it because it's still rocking with sin.

And I can talk a good game, I can even polish up and walk a good game, but I'm not resting inside because I'm fighting all the time. And I'm losing. I'm losing every time. The law is doing its job. And I'm doing the job on me because I don't know the who yet. The deliverer is a who. Do you see that? And so that's why that question was open-ended in the last lesson.

I said, does every believer need to go through this for their spiritual growth? The answer is absolutely yes. And the reason is, our Christian life is an intimate, personal walk with the resurrected, glorified Christ. That's what our walk is. He's my life. He's the one that overcomes all of this. He's included me into his life. My job is to trust him. That's my whole job is to trust him.

And so as I learn things, I begin to learn about the person more and more all the time. I can behold the glory of the Lord Jesus when I'm studying the word. It isn't just a bunch of scriptural facts now, it's a person. Those of you who are married and recognize it, you grow in the knowledge and grace of your spouse. And you just get more comfortable as time goes on, especially if they're a believer. And you're comfortable with the who.

Yeah, I can tell you all about her or him, or I can give you a chapter and verse. It's like when two guys meet each other, it's, hi, how are you? Oh, great. What do you do? The what do you do is really important with guys. That's kind of our buckle. This is what I do. That's my identity. Look at the Lord Jesus and say, well, what do you do? on your life. It's when do you who? That's right. Who are you? We all know I'm a Savior. Do we all know Him as our life? Our very life? Every minute of every day? Where we totally are dependent on Him?

That's what Romans 7 is really about. It's about the who. Introduction All of 5.12 up to this point is all about doctrinal truth, like Romans 6, 1-10 is all position, but there's no who there. You see that? And the struggles and all of that, there's no who until you get to the who. But you've got to go through, I think you have to go through all the methods and all the how-to's and all the what-can-I-do's before you get to the who. And then the who shows up. And that's what makes it really, really cool.

So you really don't walk in the spirit until Romans 8? I don't think you do. I'm of the opinion, and this is my opinion, that the Christian life doesn't start until Romans 8-1. The rest of it is all information getting you to it. How you got separated from the old, how your sins are forgiven, co-crucifixion, freedom from the law. Now we're going to talk about how the life works. I would modify that. Growth doesn't happen until this. That's interesting, yeah. Your life is there in Romans 6. Growth doesn't happen until... Right, I agree with that.

I think it happens in 7.25 where he thanks God for this. He thanks God and he talks about deliverance but he doesn't get deliverance until 8.2. He doesn't really see it until 8.2. Let's go on because it's here. He has ceased to say to God, how shall I deliver myself? Or even, how shall I be delivered? Understand that the difference between how shall I be delivered is different than who's going to deliver me. In other words, Lord, show me the way. I'm ready. Show me the way. But it's a frantic appeal for a deliverer. See that?

The Christian life is about a person. All the doctrine goes with it, but it's really about a person. And he's a deliverer and he's your life. He's our life. Who shall deliver him? Instinctively and absolutely, Paul knows that no process will ever deliver him.

So when somebody comes down the road and says, do you want to be more spiritual? And you say, yeah. Well, we've got a method. How about contemplative prayer, or how about, we'll go to Israel, or how about, I'm going to pray more, read more, study more, fast more, whatever more. How about anything that I can do to find the right button on my keyboard that's going to cause God to get with it?

And the answer is nothing. Because that's the wrong path. It takes the Spirit of God a long time to teach us it's the who, not the what. And it's okay. That's why I think every believer goes down this road. Because how else do you find the who? You only find it in desperation, I think. But all these methods fail.

They do. And you have to go through them. And I can tell you, you don't want to go there and it's going to fail. I've got to keep my mouth shut. You need to fail. How's that working for you? Yeah, how's that working out for you? It's not. Good. And this we kind of talked about, question two, we kind of talked about in the last. Is Paul looking for a way to separate from his body? His body is unredeemed. It's unchanged and it's under the law of sin.

Right? Yeah. Who will separate me from this dying body? Yeah. Who's going to separate me? I don't want to be separated from it. I delight with the quickened human spirit and the things of God. Maybe to dwell undelivered in the body is to find a body of death. In other words, I'm alive to Christ. I'm a new creature in Christ with a new spirit. But I'm living in this old Chevy or Ford or pick whatever. And it's all rusty. And I can't fix it. It's too old. They don't make parts for it anymore.

So he's not really crying out for a door out of the delivery of his body, although you hear that from believers. You say, oh, they'll say, I can't wait to go home and be with the Lord. What's their motive? I got to get out of this body. This is terrible. But God didn't call us to get out of these bodies. God called us to manifest his life while we're still in them. So that we can demonstrate the power of the spirit even though we're doing it in a dead body. It's really cool what he's doing. He gets a lot more glory that way. A lot more. Isn't that cool how he does it? I mean I'm pretty excited. I tell people and they think I'm nuts.

We only have so much time. that God has given each one of us to do what we're doing right now. That we are recreated in Christ positionally but living in a dead body and we're in a fallen world and we're here to do one thing, to manifest the glory of the Lord Jesus to a lost world and to walk beside the leaders. Right? We don't get to do this after we die. This opportunity is gone.

We get to go home and be with the Lord and we get glorified and we come back and rule and reign with Him in the Millennial Kingdom. And we go on into eternity with Him, which is unspeakably marvelous. But think about what He's got us doing now. Right now is a whole opportunity that He puts each one of us in that we don't appreciate what He's doing. He does His work through us. Through us. We're valuable to Him and He's decided to use us. Why? Imagine the life of the Lord Jesus Christ being manifested through you old wretched man. That's quite a trick. Only Jesus can do that. That's right. Only. Only his life.

But we are never sitting in the grandstands watching this go on. We're down there playing the game. We're in every step of the way. And why does he do it that way? So that once you get down that road a little bit, if you look over your shoulder, here comes somebody else. And you can back up and walk beside them and tell them, hey, this is normal. This is what the Lord does. Come on, I'll walk with you.

And boy, have you got something waiting for you when you get to see the old wretched man. They don't like that part. You've got to get to the old wretched man. No, no, I don't. So he's not crying for a door out from his body, but deliverance from the condition of defeat, which his resonance in his physical body makes a possibility. And his lack of spiritual knowledge up to that moment resulted in it. And I would say the lack of spiritual intimacy with Christ.

Do you all buy the fact that what God is really up to in terms of our spiritual growth is this increasing intimacy with the Lord Jesus Christ, the glorified Christ. Do you think he's doing that? Is that what he's up to, or is he up to making us really cool Christians? Where we do everything right? Do you think so? What do you think? Is he after intimacy? Is that really what he's after? Or is he after good conduct?

Good conduct comes from intimacy. Good conduct comes from beholding His glory. We get transformed into His very image. Conduct follows. You see that? You have to go to the source. We need to grab a hold of this idea that it pleases the Father for us to know Him. It's pleasurable to Him that we know Him and know His Son in the heavenlies. And that's what the Spirit of God does. He shows believers who they are in Christ by showing them who Christ is.

But this is the pathway. This is the pathway. Now once you get to the over-wretched man that I am who shall deliver me, it doesn't mean the war is over. It's probably just picking up. But now you're in a position of victory. And you're not in a position of losing anymore. Because you can stand in Christ and just stand there.

And now it's his. Whose fight is it? Mine or his? His. I think this goes all back to, first of all, this is my beloved son. So he's telling us who the father loves. And now we're placed in him. And it's to know him. That's what Paul cries out a lot of times. It's not to be a servant, not to do all, not to do it. It's to know Him and that's eternal life.

And what that does is conform us to His image. Well, if we have that, the Father loved the Son, we're conformed to His image. The Father loves us and wants that intimacy, which I always go back to the Abba Father, Daddy. He wants that much intimacy that we can call the God of the universe, Daddy. Anytime, anyplace, anywhere, He wants us to have that intimacy with Him.

You just mentioned something that's really interesting. If I say to you, What's eternal life? What's your answer? To know him and the one who sent him. That's eternal life. So what does it translate to? An intimacy. It's a who. Eternal life is a who, not a what. The power of His resurrection. No, no, no. It's a who. It's not power. It's not any of that. It's a who. To know Him and the power of His resurrection. But see, what you just gave me was attributes to who. I want to know the who. I don't care about the attributes necessarily. Okay. Then would the battle be His armor? The battle is His. Right.

I have strong desires against the flesh and the flesh against the spirit. They are contrary one to another. So that I can't do what I want. Where am I in that equation? Am I the spirit? No. Am I the flesh? No. But they are in a battle. Where am I? In the middle. I'm in the middle. Do you see that? It's his fight. It's his fight. And oh by the way, he conducts it from a position of victory. Do you see that? He won it already. Just one thought.

To Mike's point, the attributes make him who he is. He died, he was buried and he was resurrected. Those are attributes of the who. Without those, he would not be capable or trustworthy. That's true. So just to clarify on that, because I understand what you're saying. We can understand what he did and be enamored with his actions and speak of his actions and never get to know him. That's right. Without those attributes, he would not be capable or trustworthy to fight that fight. I agree.

And that's why Paul, 25, 30 years into his ministry would say, that I may know him in the power of his resurrection. There's the what's. The fellowship of his suffering being conformed unto his death that by any means I may apprehend what he apprehended me for. Which is what? Intimacy. And so was it the fact that Paul was humping around for 25 years and didn't know Christ? No, no, no. He met him on the road to Damascus glorified.

But he recognized that an increasing intimacy, it's like with any other human being. You and I have a growing relationship. You and I have a growing relationship. Everybody in this room does. We have it with the Lord Jesus. We're growing in Him all the time. And as that growth goes on, so does the conformity. And so does our love for Him, because boy, He overwhelmingly loves us. That'll do. Okay, let's close.

Dear Father, how we thank you for your word, how we thank you for this process of introducing us to Christ as our deliverer, that we might, as Paul said, grow and know him in the power of his resurrection, just to abide in him and rest in him. We pray in his precious name. Amen.