I John, 1:5-7

1 John chapter 1, 5 through 7. And actually, according to what we have there, we'll finish chapter 1 next week. I heard some grumblings back there about, we'll do 1 John 1 9 in one week. And actually, there's a thought. If there was enough interest, we certainly could slide the schedule, and we could go longer. So we'll have to see how it goes. Obviously, 1 John 1 9 and the accompanying verses, 8 and 10, are certainly significant verses in scripture. As you'll find today, these are tremendous verses too.

All right. Actually, before we go reading five through seven here, I found a couple of things, interesting things. Dr. Wiest. in this volume two of his word study, kind of pointed out there were a couple of heresies that he felt were addressed in five through seven. So I thought I'd just mention those. I just put them both up at the same time.

Basically, the first one is that there's this notion that there's evil in God. I think Josiah sort of alluded to that a little bit, the idea that somehow Christ really wasn't deity at his birth. He was something less than deity. So that notion was kind of there in heresy.

And the second item is that you may be in fellowship with God but still live in sin. And that seems to be part of the idea that you somehow abuse your body or you deny yourself. There's several extremes in that you can go. I'll take in all these pleasures as one aspect and denying yourself as another aspect. So I think actually the verses will address both of those today. OK, so actually, can I get somebody to read maybe all. Let's see. One through seven. First, John, one through seven. Just to put the whole thing in context here. Someone would volunteer to do that.

That which was from the beginning, which we have seen, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the word of life. The life was manifested, and we have seen and bear witness and declare to you that eternal life, which was with the Father and was manifested to us. That which we have seen and heard, we declare to you that you also may have fellowship with us. And truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son, Jesus Christ. And these things we write to you, that your joy may be full.

This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with Him, we walk in darkness. We lie and do not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ, His Son, cleanses us from all sin.

Thanks, Brad. OK, so we're into these three verses today. And the first verse is how I kind of connect it with the previous verse, because we're going to see about this repetitive phrase. This is a message we've heard from him. And so let's just kind of jump into that verse five here. So basically, this is the message we've heard from him. And if you look back from what Brad has read, you'll see there's kind of a pattern, if you will, In verse one, it says, we have heard what and what is what referred to. You folks remember from the...

Thank you. Thank you. Excellent. Excellent. OK. We have heard, remember, and this heard is in this thing called the perfect tense, which means that it occurred in the past, but the results are still up into the present. So that's, we translate that it's ringing in their ears. So they heard it, and it's ringing in their ears. We have heard what the Lord Jesus said, and we're still remembering, still hearing it.

And then the next one that occurs in there is a sight thing. We have seen with our eyes. And that's also the same idea, present tense. They saw it in the past, and they continue to see it. They still remember it. And that's not so unusual if you think we see things in the past, and the memories are still there. So I think John's accurately portraying that.

Then another kind of this look is a perception or a gazing intently and touching with our hands the Lord Jesus. And then we have seen, if you notice they're all past tense, they all occurred in the past and some have results up into the present and some, I think actually all do. And another phrase that occurs in verse 2 is that we have seen the eternal life, speaking of the Savior again. And then in verse, I think one that Josiah did last week, we have seen and heard, if you notice, actually I didn't, I wanted to, yeah, okay, actually we're not quite there yet.

So heard occurs again, and then, and once again it's a perfect tense, they're still hearing it, still ringing in their ears. And today we kind of transition. It's interesting, what they heard and remember was about the Lord Jesus himself. Now they're going to transition, they're going to remember something he said. We have heard from him the message. And we're going to learn what the message is. And it's a wonderful message. But it's kind of cool that they remember who he was, where they touched him, they interacted with him. But now we have heard.

And this also is the perfect tense, so we'll see shortly here. OK, let's go on. OK, so it says, this is the message we've heard from him and announced to you. So if you look at the context of that clause there, you'll see that there's really two, it's like a compound verb here. We have heard and we announce. So basically, we have heard from him the message.

And the second part, we announce to you the message. So that compound verb. And in this case, the verb is this pretty familiar verb in the Greek, kouro. So I have the transliteration, and I have the Greek, as per request. And it's a perfect tense to hear, and a perfect tense. So it means you heard in the past, and you're still hearing it.

And announce is angelio. It's the idea to bring back a report. And actually, this is the point where I'd just like to look at a couple of verses here. You know, I thought this idea of you heard a message and you're announcing it. There's kind of a pattern there that you see in other places. Paul makes a similar statement. Could someone read 1 Corinthians chapter 11? This is a pretty familiar verse. 1 Corinthians chapter 11 and verse 23.

For I received from the Lord that which I opened, that it would be new before Jesus. Thank you. Okay, so you see in this case, it's received from the Lord. So, you know, Paul personally interacted with the Lord Jesus, right? And he delivered to us. So I thought of a similar thing. The message was heard and then announced. And in this passage, it was basically received and then delivered.

So I thought kind of interesting parallel there. And then also in terms of announced, That's the idea, to bring back a report, to bring back good tidings, that kind of thing. And there's a passage in Acts that I think kind of is interesting. Acts 15, if someone can read that, and verse 4.

And when they had arrived at Jerusalem, they were received by the church, and the apostles, and the elders, and they reported all that God had done with them. Okay, and this word reported in this New American Standard is the same word we have as announced here, it's to bring back. So they, in this context, they were reporting about what God had been doing. They were reporting when they arrived at Jerusalem.

OK, so let's go on here. And then the word message is angelia. It's a proclamation. And OK, so now I want to see here. So OK, what's the message? What's the message from verse 5? What's the message? You get extra points, you realize. Go ahead. Excellent. Excellent. All right. OK, so the message. So basically, God is light and in him is no darkness at all. So basically, in this case, this is this. There are so many passages like this in scripture. God is something. God is love. God is light.

Talking about his character, his essence. And this is what's called an essence verb, eimi, the state in which something continuously exists. So this is saying, and actually the construction is God is a subject, is is a verb, and light is the, oops, I'm getting ahead of myself here, And light is what's called the subject complement. So basically, it identifies God. It identifies God as being light. And also, it's a state.

God continuously exists as light. He can be nothing else. It's really speaking of His holiness. God is holy. He's pure. He's light. And the word for light is actually the word we get, the English word is phosphorus, or phos, and the word to give light. And I have several verses here that the scripture has a lot to say about God in terms of light.

It talks about the glory of God in 1 Timothy 6.16. And then in our verse, I think it's talking about his very essence, his very nature.

And then in James 1.17, about there's no shadow of turning, his impartiality. And there's actually another one I didn't have in there about the Lord Jesus.

He said, I am the light of the world. So the idea and there's actually we could do a lot more. We could really expand that and carry it out significantly. But, you know, script has a lot to say about in terms of light, kind of contrasting the light and the darkness.

OK. All right. OK, so now let's see. There's no darkness at all. And actually, this is actually part of the compound statement. There's a statement that God is light, and at the same time, he's not darkness. So if you look at it, it's a compound verb. Is is a verb in both cases. And it's eimi. He is, at the same time, light and not darkness. And actually, we're going to see it's very, very specific about darkness. Also, I thought, it's interesting, he just didn't stop at his light. It excludes any darkness. That's excluded from the equation. God cannot be darkness.

Josiah? The fact that God doesn't have any sin in him is one of the unique characteristics of both Judaism and Christianity, because paganism had gods who were evil. It's kind of amusing to read some of the ancient Sumerian or Akkadian documents about their account of the creation of the world, because they have these gods who are evil, who are killing each other. Right, there's wars.

That's great. and they create the world. So John, he goes to great lengths to just totally exclude there's any possibility of anything to do with darkness and that God is totally light, totally holy. So, I mean, it's just really, you know, it's incredible.

Okay, so let's look at the... Basically, if God is not darkness in himself at all, And again, it's a me, so he continuously exists, not being darkness. I'm not sure how you say that exactly, but darkness is used in scripture a lot of spiritual, moral darkness. It's emblematic of sin, as we have light and darkness, good and evil. OK.

And actually, what's interesting is that this at all is is not even one. And we and actually it's it's a compound word. It's not the word for not. And the word for one that like if you count one, two, three, it's not one or actually. Not even one. So there's not even any dark, not even one part, actually we say it's not even one particle of darkness. So God is light and not even one particle of darkness. Simultaneously, 24-7, for all eternity. Which is wonderful.

So this is a message, right? This is a message that John, they heard from the Lord, and they're proclaiming, announcing to us. OK. All right. So now, as someone has said, now we get personal. So now he's going to move from he declared who the Lord Jesus is, and that they interacted with him, they saw him, they handled him, and that he is light and not darkness, not even one little bit.

And now he's going to talk about our relationship to the Lord Jesus. And he's going to talk about these. And this is one of the first occurrences here, and we're going to see more. In fact, next week, we're going to have a whole bunch of these conditional sentences, where there's an if-then kind of situation, and it's conditioned upon our response to the Lord, our walking with Him. So, OK. All right, so let's go on here.

So actually, I wanted to kind of rearrange this verse a little bit and put this little clause here, we lie and do not practice the truth. Really, if you look carefully, that is kind of the subject of the rest of this little clause, because that actually says that's what we're doing if we walk in darkness. If we say we have fellowship and walk in darkness, this is where we lie and do not practice the truth. If we do the following here, if we say that we have fellowship with Him at the same time, walk in darkness. Another compound verb again. So if we're doing the bottom two statements, we lie and we don't practice the truth.

I was going to ask, does someone have. Well, actually, we'll get there. We'll get there. Just wait here. OK, so that's what's a compound verb. We say and we walk. So, you know, you know, let our I'm losing it here. Walk the talk or talk the walk. How does it go? Walk the talk. Walk the talk.

I got it right. Presumably it didn't sound right. Anyway, so what I'm popularly saying to you here, this is basically it. Practice what you preach. Practice what you preach, right. Anyway, okay, good. All right, so now we're going to look at the bottom part first. We lie and do not practice the truth. Lie comes from the word pseudo, pseudomai. to deceive by lies, practices to make or to do.

I was going to ask, does someone have the King James? Could I read this verse in the King James, if somebody happens to have it? What verse you want? Verse 6. King James. Yeah. If we say we have fellowship with him, Yeah, okay, so actually, New Mexico Center has practice, but the word is literally to do, or just do. So we're to do the truth.

So you don't find that the practice, you know, I don't know. It's interesting how decisions are made about words. And, you know, as you start looking at the original, I think all it says is just do it. So I don't see the practice idea. Anyway, whatever. It's just.

Okay, so there's some verses that I thought were really important here. Hebrews 6.18, and this kind of speaks of basically, you know, the fact that God in His very nature, it's impossible for Him to lie. So that by two unchangeable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie. So if it's impossible for God to lie, if we say we're having fellowship with Him, we've got a problem. So there's some other verses here.

Do not lie to one another, since you have laid aside the old self with its evil practices. Your very nature, when you became a believer, you've moved from darkness to light. Lying is not part of who you are in Christ. It's not part of the new life. It's part of the old life.

And then Romans 9.1, I'm telling the truth in Christ. I'm not lying. That's Paul declaring. So lying is not part of the Christian life. Now, that's not to say we don't. And that's part of the issue here. In fact, that's why we're going to see this wonderful provision in verse 7. OK, now we're going to do the top part. So this is the conditional part. So, this is a condition by what the bottom part will be true.

So, if we are saying that we have fellowship with Him, yet walk in darkness, then the bottom will be true. Sure, sure, sure. If we are talking about God as light, and yet there is no instance of darkness in God, bring this over to say that if we say we have fellowship with him and yet walk in darkness, because we are all sinners, we all sin, we all need to repent, and our walk with Christ is a transforming process from the time we accept the Lord as our personal Savior. This almost seems like we're saying that if we're going to sin, then we're not walking in heaven fellowship with Christ.

So I'm a little confused, because you have to weigh this verse against the rest Right. And actually, actually, we're going to do that. I think we're going to answer your question a lot. And this is a key point, because we're talking about fellowship here, which is really key. But we have to keep this. So just see if we will get to your point here. Roger. Sure. What's your definition of darkness? It's evil, sin. Other than. In this context, in this context here. I mean, that's what I think it's emblematic of. Light and darkness, good and evil, unholiness.

OK. All right. All right. OK. OK. So now we're going to get a little bit. This might be a little bit technical. I don't know. But I think it's important. There is some in the Greek. There are four kinds of sentences. In fact, actually, I need to jump to the other part. Let me just. I'm just going to jump past all this stuff here. OK. In the Greek. When you see an if in scripture, have you ever seen ifs in scripture? You have, right? So when you see an if, you say, OK, if I do something, then something else will happen.

Well, in some cases in scripture, it's what's called a first-class condition. It's assumed for the sake of argument to be true. So the if, sometimes people will scratch out and they'll put sense. So you've probably seen that maybe like in Colossians, I think is an example, where it states something about the believer. And it's assumed to be true that I'm in Christ. I'm in Christ by my new birth. So that's an example of a first class condition, assumed to be true for the sake of argument.

Second class is the opposite, assumed to be untrue for the sake of argument. And then third class is our case in the verses we're going to see. Actually, all the rest of chapter 3 are all these conditional ones. And the fulfillment is uncertain, but still likely. So we're going to see it says, walk on the light. We may walk on the light, but we may not. the verses are is that we do walk on the light. So the verses are what is called third class. It's uncertain, but likely. So that's just kind of a little.

And there's actually ways to recognize what's really cool in the Greek. I'm not really super duper on it, but you look in the helps and you can figure out just by looking at the words used. Let's just go back. OK. Whenever you see the if, and it happens to be that Greek word, eon, and the verb we say is subjunctive mood, then that tells you, boom, right there, third class condition. I mean, it's wonderful. God has laid it out, and it's that way. I mean, I don't know enough Greek to, you know. What I understand, it's always that way. The construction is always that way. When you have the if with the subjunctive mood, it's always that way. Now, another little diversion here for a second. The subjunctive mood, I hope this isn't, you know, this would be too much to tell me. The question of reality comes into play.

If I say that I see a child and the child's running and I write down the child runs, If I'm God, and I write that down, we know with absolute certainty that that's true. If he says that he's love, he's light, we know with absolute certainty that's true. That's called the indicative mood, the mood of reality. When God states something, it's real because he said it. There's actually four moods in the Greek. There's the reality mood, which is indicative. You'll see many of the statements about our position in Christ are all indicative mood. We're seated with Him in the heavenlies. He'll never leave us or forsake us, and so on. Just tons of indicative moods.

But there's actually another mood, which is this called subjunctive mood, which is probability. So this is where this third class condition, at least from what I can tell, kind of comes into play. And it's the mood of probability. as a result, but likely. So that's just a little.

It's actually two more, but we'll leave that for a later time. So we have imperative, which states absolutely categorically. So an example that I saw in one of the books I was reading, it said the child runs. Subjunctive would be if the child runs, something will happen. So that's kind of that's kind of difference. And OK, let's go on.

So so here we are to walk. So we have our conditionals saying we're to walk, and walking is this word peripateo. It basically signifies, it's more than just walking physically, obviously, right? It's our whole conduct of our Christian life. The whole round of activities, how we conduct our life. Okay. And there's many admonitions in scripture about our walk.

We're to walk, not according to the flesh, but according to the spirit. And it says, for you are still fleshly. This is kind of a correction. It says you're still walking fleshly. You are not walking like mere men. So God's desire is that we walk in the light. We walk in fellowship with Him. So that's His desire. But we may not do that. We may walk in darkness. That's the other possibility. Okay, let me get past that. OK, now I think this is hopefully going to address Vicki's question a little bit.

In scripture, we'll see truths that are called positional truths, truths that talk about us once we become a believer in the Lord Jesus. They talk about, for example, one says we're seen in the Ephesians, we're seen with Christ in the heavenlies. It says we have every spiritual blessing. It makes these direct statements. Usually an addictive mood, unchangeable. God has accomplished it. All we've done is believe in the Lord Jesus. They're eternal, unchangeable.

So those body of truths are what's called our position or our standing. Then there's a body of truths that are what I call conditional. This is our moment-by-moment walk. This 1 John 1 and the verses we're going to talk about now are the conditional aspect of our walk, like you were talking about, Vicki.

So we're secure, seed with Christ in the heavenlies, but we may not walk in relationship to who we are. We may walk contrary. If I'm an American and I go over to some other country and I act like the enemy, I'm not an American anymore. I'm the enemy. So the Lord desires that we walk as who we are. And that's temporal, unchangeable. Not temporal. Temporal, unchangeable.

So you've got to distinguish, and you've got to ask that question when you look at scripture. This is one of the big ways to go through scripture and look at it and say, is this talking about my position in Christ or my condition in Christ? So these verses are talking about our condition in Christ. And God's desire is that we walk in the light. He doesn't want to walk in darkness at all. And what's wonderful, He has a remedy when we do walk in darkness.

And we're going to see that coming up here in 1 John 1.9. We're going to see one of the remedies for that. So now we're down to the cooler part. But if we walk in the light as he himself is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ, his Son, cleanses us from all sin.

And once again, we're going to see that The subject of this whole thing, that's really the subject of that whole verse. A big subject, right? The subject is fellowship. And actually two parts, I'm sorry. It's a dual subject here. Fellowship and this cleansing of the blood of the Lord Jesus. What's really wonderful is, you know, we think about becoming a believer and all of us have it pretty clear in our minds. When I became a believer, I trusted the Lord that He paid for my sins. That's a done deal. I paid for, He did that. Well, His blood just didn't stop there. His blood continues to work. And this is what this verse says. And we're going to see, His blood continues to work right now, 24-7.

And that's the only way we can have fellowship. So your question about how can we have fellowship? If His blood wasn't cleansing us, It would be history. We can never do it. His blood continuously cleanses us. And we're going to see the Greek is just really tremendous here. So I think that's how we can have fellowship. Otherwise, we couldn't have fellowship.

And then the verbs are down here. If we walk in the light, as he himself was in the light. Actually, we walk is the main verb, and it's in the subjunctive mood again, the mood of probability. OK, so now we're going to look at the last part first, or the subject part first.

We have fellowship with one another. All right, so actually, this is a Wyss rendering of that. Things in common, and thus fellowship, the believer in God are having with one another. You remember back when Josiah covered, way a long time ago last week, we covered The fact that the believer, in verse 3, it talks about the fact that we have fellowship with us, and indeed our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son. So our fellowship is with God, and then we're fellowshipping with God, and then we can have fellowship with one another. That's what I think is being said there. Now the other part of this, to have that fellowship, this cleansing operation has to be in place. And the cleansing is to make clean.

It's in the indicative mood, present tense, active voice. Okay, so let's see. What does that mean? Indicative mood is a statement of reality. So God is saying that what is cleansing, and that's a reality. It's really cleansing right now. And it's in the present tense. So that's happening right now, 24-7. And it's in the active voice. And the active voice says the subject, the blood of Jesus, is performing the action.

The blood of Jesus is doing the cleansing. 24-7, His blood is cleansing us. So, I mean, that's an incredible statement. If the top part of that verse is true, if we walk in the light as He Himself is in the light, We have fellowship with one another, and His blood, the blood of Jesus, His Son, cleanses us from all sin. And actually what's even... He really nails it down here. This is the word pass in the Greek, all is pass. It's everyone, none excluded. It looks to me like if you walk in the light, you're saying that you're living without sin. If you're living without sin, why do you have to have cleansing?

That's a good question. That's a good question. Yes. So what you're saying is that if I have an answer. OK. Actually, we're going to say that we're going to see that. OK. OK, that's that's good. Right. That's a good point. But it doesn't affect his fellowship. He's sitting without knowing that he's not walking into life. Well, he there's a little dark. No, it's not. Yeah. Okay, I see your point. Right, right. And that's an important thing to remember. The believer does not become God, right? God is light, right? We're walking in fellowship with Him, right? We're walking in who He is and what He's done, right? We don't become God. You wouldn't have a problem with that, right? OK. All right.

Well, let's go on answer the question about the we're going to get to the second part here. We'll see if we get. What's that? What's your definition of war? OK, we're going to see that it's coming up. Okay. Once again, here's his walk. It's a pair of potato. Actually, we have a definition walking. No, I walk. Actually, if you want to see what we had is back. No, it was back here earlier. Thank you. Right there.

Signifies the whole round of activities of the individual. In scripture, I think that's what it means. That's how we conduct our lives, right? OK, we get through all this. OK, once again, the if is the third class condition. So what does that mean? And subjunctive mood. What does that mean?

Probability, right. So we may walk in the light. We may not walk in the light. I think that's part of what is part of an answer to what you're saying. Because we may or may not do that, I think the second part is in place. So as we walk in the light, we then can have fellowship. I see what you're saying.

You're saying, well, it seems like if we're in the light, it's a done deal, over with. But we don't always do that. As we saw before, we may walk in darkness. So with this probability mood here, walking is a probability. We may walk in the light. God says we do, but we may not. Oops. OK. Walk in the light. OK. Actually, I'm going to. OK. What is walk in the light? Actually, we're going to get to Doug's question here. OK.

I think there is, in scripture, there is several parallel phraseology that's used in scripture. If walking in the light, and it is, if walking is conducting your life, how we conduct our life in terms of the Lord, then there's other phraseology. Like in John 15, verse 4, it says, Christ says, abide in me, and I in you. He says, basically, abide is this word meno in the Greek. It's to be at home with the Lord, to hang out with the Lord. We're to be at home with Him. If you're walking with Him, you're abiding with Him. You're in fellowship with Him.

They're all kind of parallel ideas. And then actually in Galatians it says, walk by the Spirit and you will not carry out the desires of the flesh. It would be the same kind of point you made. If we're walking in the Spirit, he'll put the positive in there and he'll say, well, when that's true, you won't be carrying out the desires of the flesh. So the positive is in view there, obviously. He desires to walk by the Spirit. And it says, therefore, as you receive Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him. So walking in the light is our Christian life. It's how we conduct our life in fellowship with him. OK. All right. And what I want to do is take a little, it's made out of diversion, but hopefully this will be amplification.

If we look at God's plan of salvation, we'll see that this walking in the light kind of fits into his plan of salvation. And salvation just doesn't end the moment we believe. Scripture talks about salvation in terms of the past tense, the present tense, and the future tense.

So in the past, we'll just kind of work through that. Let me just see. So what? Well, what occurred in the past in terms of salvation with each believer? You can look ahead too. Okay, the cross happened in the past and what happened in terms of the believer? We believe, okay, right. So, all right, good.

So basically, in the past, we have salvation. We were judged, you know, from our birth in Adam, we were already under judgment. So we were saved from the penalty of sin. Basically, salvation in the past is a holy past occurrence. It's complete and unchanging for the one who believes. It's irreversible. And we were changed. We were dead in trespasses and sin, and now we're alive. We're eternal life.

If you look here in this pretty familiar verse, for by grace you have been saved. Look at something in the past. You have been saved through faith. It took faith to save you, right? That was your part of the equation. You trusted in the Lord Jesus and you have been saved. So that's talking about the past aspect of salvation.

And this is the Lord Jesus speaking, he who believes in me, has eternal life. I think they actually, I hadn't looked at the Greek there, but it's, that's a pretty, I think it's, it has passed our death into life. That's a pretty strong statement. And here the Lord Jesus said, no one shall snatch you out of my hand. So this represents, you know, in some sense, our position.

So now, and basically there's no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. God's not going to come back and say, oh, by the way, I forgot to tell you something. This is something I have against you. No, there's no condemnation. You're in Christ. You're in Him. So you're secure. In the past view of salvation, Everything that was done to save you has been done.

So you say, well, why don't you just take me to glory? I mean, let's get on with it here. Well, he desires that we live in the present. So what's happening in the present? And we've been talking about the present, right? Haven't we talked about the present? We're to walk in the light. That's where we're at today. We're to walk in the light. So what's occurring here?

And this, you know, we're saved from the reigning power of sin. And that's where this wonderful, the blood of Jesus is constantly, as we see, we get to 1 John 1, 9, as we confess our sins, it's constantly producing an action, producing the cleansing power. It didn't stop at the cross.

Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. But it is interesting that statement. I have not looked at it that way. And that's it. Go ahead. Yeah, I have a diagram here. All right. Right. Yeah, well actually the whole, yeah, it's a spreading conjunction, the if is, and the two verbs are we have fellowship and the blood of Jesus is cleansing us. And then that whole thing, if we walk and all that, is really the subject of those verbs. Now, actually, if it goes, it actually goes to the subject in, you know, and this one here, the one that I've been looking at. It doesn't it doesn't have to. We're getting actually. No, that's a that's a good point.

I thought that the subject phrase we have fellowship with one another. If we walk in the light and the and the blood of Jesus is a separate coordinate conjunction, kind of combining the whole. If you want I'll show you the one that I use. The if actually ties into but actually. We have to go back there in a second. Maybe we can go back there in just a second. OK. All right. OK. So in the present tense of salvation, which is kind of what we're all about in 1 John here, salvation from the reigning power of sin, we're to walk by faith.

And actually what's wonderful is the Lord, you know, if you think about the Lord has a twofold approach to the believer not walking with him, walking contrary to him. We can do it before the fact or after the fact. His desire is that we do it after the fact. We're to walk by faith. In Romans it says we're to reckon ourselves dead. We reckon that we don't have to sin. That's a volitional choice. We choose to do that.

So in this mode of salvation, we're being saved from the power of the sin nature to being alive in God. And there's several verses here in Romans 6, knowing this, that our old self was crucified with him, that our body of sin might be done away with. And it's done away in the sense it was put in idle, not annihilated. And it says, even so, consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus. We're to see ourselves a dead man A dead man can't interact with sin. We're to see ourselves dead to sin.

And we're separated from sin. And Christ accomplished that in the cross. Mike's having a class right now about the identification truths. That's the whole body of the present aspect of salvation. And the future one is our glorious, we go home to be with the Lord, basically. Salvation will be present with the Lord, full conformity from the presence of the sin nature to absence of sin nature. If we don't walk in the light, then is his blood still cleansing us? Well, OK. If we're walking in the light, then his blood still cleanses. But what if we're not? If we don't always, then is his blood still cleansing us anyway? I don't know. Is that the question? Is that something you were asking? That was sort of.

I'm thinking it's like it says. If we walk in the light. If you say that it's the third class, Mm hmm. And you're saying that it's possible to do that. It's possible not to do that. This is staying. This is saying that that walking in the light is second class. Assuming that it's untrue. No, no. Well, I'm assuming I'm I'm assuming this is probably as likely. It's likely that every believer will walk in the light as he himself is in the light.

But they may not. There may be occasion when they may not do that. That's I think that's a sense. That's my understanding of third class condition. OK, since you're assuming that I can do that. Why in the world did I need any more? Well, well, I think part of it, part of it you just hit up on since this is not this is not a first class. This is not if it's first class, it says.

There'll be no if. We walk in the light and see that he's in the light. That's it. I mean, there's no... But this is saying... You'd have to scratch out the second part. Right, exactly, exactly. Because this is a probable... This is most likely, but it may not be true. This is stating, I believe, what God's remedy is for the case when you don't fulfill that. Roger? Yeah.

Could you jump ahead a little bit and answer that for me, verse 9? Actually, Josiah made a good point. If you look at the way we kind of divided things up, this verse maybe, we have all these if statements starting now. We're going to talk about, if we say we have no sin nature, we're going to cover a lot of topics in terms of sin. And this really, some people have grouped it with the other verses, so we kind of chopped it off, so we're going to get a chance to So 1 John 1 is obviously there. I mean, that is the mechanism by which if we have sinned, God wants us to come and agree with him we have sinned. And that's when we come back to this one and we say, hey, his blood is continually cleansing us. But there has to be a reason for it cleansing us.

I mean, you know. Fellowship with God. Fellowship with God. Okay, actually I did. Remember I talked about other ways to look at... Fellowship is a sharing in common, right? Remember it says there, back in verse 3, it says that we... If you read back in verse 3, it says, So you two may have fellowship with us, and our fellowship is with the Father. It's a sharing in common. Fellowship is a sharing in common, and that's what I think is so tremendous about this verse. It says we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin. Fellowship with God requires that we be equals, we be on equal bases.

Also, and then maybe way off, and it's my body that I want to march on, people's position of authority, but at the same time, The word walk, this peripateo, it's not focused on particular action. It's not focused on something you did yesterday. You sinned yesterday. Well, that's not your walk, that's just something you did. That's an action of sin. That's what we need to be cleansed from.

But our whole walk is our daily thing. We will stumble, we will fall, we will make mistakes, and we will sin, particularly. But as we walk out of our position, our day-to-day choices, the whole character of the way we conduct our lives can be in the light. Even if our initial particular actions, even if I get angry and curse or shout at April or whatever, My walk is something much larger than any one moment. It's the way I conduct my life in every aspect, in every word, in every thought, in every deed. And as our whole conditional walk is changed, we'll be cleansed continually from our particular sins that may not be in consistency with our position or our regenerative walk.

Does that muddy the water or clarify it at all? I think this is what he was trying to say. It says, this verse is teaching we have fellowship and the subordinating clause, the condition relates to our fellowship. But the verse then also says Kai and the blood cleanses us from all sin. So it's like it's saying two things. Well, thank you. And we'll carry on next week with 1 John 8, 9, and 10. A week on these important verses. Thank you.